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Post by lawsinium on Sept 12, 2011 13:40:20 GMT -5
Thanks gort. BTW, I added your website SAE on my site. If there others here who has a website and whose main concern is for the betterment of mankind and mother earth, please let me know. I will be happy to create a link on my web.
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Post by isaackoi on Sept 13, 2011 7:21:55 GMT -5
Are you serious about gaining knowledge about the UFO phenomenon? Probably too serious... In my experience, the cost/benefit ratio in relation to researching issues relating to UFOs is pretty poor. It is difficult for me to justify (to myself, let alone to my wife...) the amount of time I've spent on this topic over the years. Well, I started with reading as many UFO books as I could get my hands on. By now, I'm comfortably over the 1,000 book mark. The number actually worth reading was probably a small fraction of that total. I made notes to allow cross-referencing of discussions of the sightings/documents/people that cropped up most frequently. I then moved on to reading primary source material (e.g. government documents) and discussions online. I've also sought to gain information about and, where possible, obtain copies of various UFO databases and other tools. From all that material, I think I've learnt more about people and how controversial issues are discussed (including assessing the credibility of participants in those discussions from the style and content of their contributions) than about UFOs themselves... A few years ago, I began to concentrate on attempting to identify the best cases. Easier said than done. Well, I'm now focusing on more specific topics and events - building on the foundation I'd previously laid. I'm also looking into means of getting access to commercial databases (such as newspaperarchive.com and various scientific journals) at relatively low cost - to reduce my own expenses and also to be able to highlight such methods to the mass of people that participate in UFO discussion forums any may wish to do some original research without expending serious sums of money. I'm also trying to improve my links with various researchers and UFO groups. I've had contact with various people and groups over the last few years, but think that improving those links would enable me to increase the depth of my knowledge of specific topics. Frankly, the last of those points is one of my main reasons for my participation in this forum since my links to people within MUFON (with a few notable exceptions) are pretty weak compared to my ability to get information from various other UFO groups and researchers. The more pieces of the puzzle that I can access, the more complete the picture should become... That desire to improve links with other researchers is also one of the motives for my having posted several long items on other forums in the last few years. In case anyone is interested, I'll give a few relevant links below (on the basis that if the moderators of this forum would prefer that I don't link to any other forums, I'm happy for them to delete these links): (1) "Canadian disclosure: “UFO Found” and other documents/photos" www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread736264/pg1(2) "Massive UFO disclosure in USA..." www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread730972/pg1(3) "Debunked! The FBI alien bodies memo – A case study in the reinvention of the wheel" www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread689049/pg1All the best, Isaac
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Post by lawsinium on Sept 13, 2011 20:47:06 GMT -5
Isaac, I think it would be helpful if you create an icon link to your website under your avatar. Your site is very informative with lots of articles concerning proving UFOs. Your research is totally awesome with so much information compiled in one place. Well, if I may ask, in your perspective .... which UFO sightings or stories .... is your most pick as believable .... or possibly is true. Your the man, Joey
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Post by isaackoi on Sept 14, 2011 6:47:49 GMT -5
Isaac, I think it would be helpful if you create an icon link to your website under your avatar. Sure, if you want. .... Ok, done it. I hope you don't mind, but I'll duck that question for now. I've been working on a project regarding various ways to identify the best cases for, oh, 5 or 6 years now and still haven't finished it. Besides, I'm more comfortable highlighting useful resources and providing references to relevant discussions etc than in voicing opinions regarding UFOs. Plenty of people within ufology voice opinions and speculations. By avoiding doing so, I've (generally) managed to stay on friendly terms with many skeptics in addition to many ufologists - rather than being seen to pick sides. I am, happy, however, to provide a link to various lists I've collated of the best cases as selected by quite a few "experts": www.isaackoi.com/best-ufo-cases/3-experts-short-lists.htmlAll the best, Isaac
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Post by lawsinium on Sept 14, 2011 10:37:24 GMT -5
Well that's a good stand though - being neutral. Thansk for sharing the links too.
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Post by gort on Sept 16, 2011 6:20:09 GMT -5
Isaac, it is people like you that keep me going! I am very glad to have you on board here and everywhere else that you may be as well. I think about all of the people who have devoted their entire life to research and I am very proud of the work you have done so far.
I think that the message that we send is, that we are not going away because we know some little part of the truth and that we feel it is important for others to know it as well.
I think that the more of us that send that message, the better our chances are that each of these little truths will become a whole at some point and we will all benefit from that knowledge.
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Post by lawsinium on Sept 16, 2011 10:03:35 GMT -5
Isaac work is really really great. I would suggest that mufon should follow his footsteps..... Skeptic laugh at us because we list so many types of encounters but liitle actions are being done to prove or disprove these sightings. This is one of the arguments scientists are throwing on ufologists ....to them they are merely garbage. I will post a letter from a UFO skeptic debunking paragraph by paragraph all his bad impressions against ufologists. More power Isaac....you are doing a great job here. ~joey
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Post by isaackoi on Sept 18, 2011 15:22:41 GMT -5
Isaac, it is people like you that keep me going! Hey, don't blame me for your continued involvement in this subject! Seriously, thank you for the very kind words. I'm very interested in several of the projects that some of the more technically skilled people within MUFON have worked on, and continue to be working hard on. I just wish MUFON improved its communication with others. The relative lack of communication may be a partial explanation of the poor image which MUFON has recently suffered within the wider UFO community. Also, it seems that some current and past officials within MUFON appear to spend more time on UFO politics and trying to get or retain titles within MUFON than they spend on UFO research and investigations. All the best, Isaac
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Post by chu082011 on Sept 19, 2012 21:11:42 GMT -5
Isaac, it is people like you that keep me going! Hey, don't blame me for your continued involvement in this subject! Seriously, thank you for the very kind words. I'm very interested in several of the projects that some of the more technically skilled people within MUFON have worked on, and continue to be working hard on. I just wish MUFON improved its communication with others. The relative lack of communication may be a partial explanation of the poor image which MUFON has recently suffered within the wider UFO community. Also, it seems that some current and past officials within MUFON appear to spend more time on UFO politics and trying to get or retain titles within MUFON than they spend on UFO research and investigations. All the best, Isaac Thank very much for your comment. It help me to think about for my ideals. We also find them more same at: What have you done to improve your knowledge in the last year? Tks again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2012 2:58:27 GMT -5
I'm all in favor of serious research inspired by scientific rigor but if you are not in the club as a scientist I doubt your work will be taken seriously. The Condon Committee nipped it in the bud if you know what I mean.
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Post by avalonswan on Sept 21, 2012 21:37:54 GMT -5
I'm looking for Gort! That's what! Where ya at Gort we miss ya!
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Post by ronareufosreal on Sept 24, 2012 3:56:44 GMT -5
In the past I have read a ton of books, some very informative, some trash. Been Listening to coasttocoastam for about 18 years. Also follow UFO think tank blog talk radio for about a year. Much of the information over the last decade has been through the internet, maybe that's what caused me to sometimes seem like a debunker to myself. Currently, I have a book called, "MATERIALS SCIENCE AND METALLURGY" by Herman W. Pollack and my college chemistry textbook on my table while reading a 50 pg pdf report on Jay Barrymores's alleged UFO remnants. I plan on trying to match one of his samples to Frank Kimblers finds from the Roswell crash. While at the same time listening to coast to coast am, good UFO show tonight. Should have a new story before the end of this week on my website. Haven't read it yet but for great information on recorded government study of UFOs check out "UFO's and Government, a historical perspective" by Robert Powell and 4 others. I have a link on my website on the left side of the roadmap to proof page, or you can just search the title on amazon and Robert Powell and you should find it.
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Post by nobrainer on Sept 27, 2012 0:42:32 GMT -5
Just how much data is necessary to prove that these things are real? The signal to noise ratio is very bad. How can the rich and powerful make money off this? I gave up reading on this because I have a hard time believing things like ancient astronauts. Why do prominent writers call the American public deluded because 85% believe in UFOs. The majority of Republicans still believe there were WMDs in Iraq. The issue I see is not trying to prove that these things are real but trying to understand why the government has no credibility? These things are not stupid and don't want to communicate with us for the same reason the public does not trust the government. I believe they might be reading this blog and are watching our TV. When a big flap occurs, like the UFOs over Washington in the early 50s, this was done deliberately to monitor our reaction. They are affraid of us for good reason.
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Post by topsecretresearch on Oct 8, 2012 23:05:28 GMT -5
Just how much data is necessary to prove that these things are real? I moved on to learning more about the actual occupants, the technology being utilized etc.
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Post by hiddentreasure99 on Apr 25, 2015 22:47:13 GMT -5
i come to places like these to gain intel on stuff and stay in touch with the hidden information and share my opinion sometimes yet i feel sad as everything i seem to know is based on deleted research or stuff that gets cut from public view by the shadow government.
its usually true but not always. i love to connect with these communities and connect dots from past investments of time. whether i can help or not is whether people can believe what i have to offer. ive been studying creatures since i was 11 and looked into finding ways to piece my memories together and find out what happened to me in my abductions.
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