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Post by alienvisitor on Sept 4, 2011 23:23:23 GMT -5
What really is needed are devices that use different technologies. Maybe infrared, magnetic field disruption, radiation sensitive sensors in place of DSLR's. Quite possibly things that the DHS use to protect our boarders. The run of the mill visible light optics have greatly improved, however if your trying to grab a "picture" of one of these things you need to realize that you are not "bird watching" but trying to detect and image crafts that are well out of the capability of "normal optics". Now please don't shot me down for such wild ideas but hey if you are trying to image such advanced crafts you need to use new and ground breaking technologies. Please think about ways that are "out of the box", your trying to do something that has technology light years ahead of what is currently in use.
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Post by alienvisitor on Sept 5, 2011 12:53:19 GMT -5
I was watching NATGEO on 9-5-11. The episode was titled "High Tech War On Terror". In it was a short spot about a surveillance UAV called "Silverfox". The purpose of this craft was to find hidden tunnels crossing the boarder. The technology was a "Magnetic Gradient Field". Silver Fox flies along sending out a magnetic field. Remotely viewed it shows sharp changes in the retuning signal. Being said that the "Magnetic Field Disruption" imaging that I had mentioned in my first post is validated.
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Post by rike on Sept 5, 2011 17:37:03 GMT -5
... your trying to do something that has technology light years ahead of what is currently in use. Light year is a measure distance ... As for thinking out of the box ... I am still trying to figure out how we transitioned from Martians to Greys ... or from benevolent to malevolent aliens ... And trying to figure out what happened to Lady [Alamosa, Colorado 1967]!?! |
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Post by lawsinium on Sept 10, 2011 22:32:44 GMT -5
rike, i think what we need to establish here is where did you get the information that we transitioned from martians to greys?  ? I have developed a counting system for Martians but I'm not sure if they have three fingers on each hand. lol. |
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Post by lawsinium on Sept 10, 2011 22:40:48 GMT -5
alienvisitor, if you send signals at a speed of light to the next galaxy that is 100,000 light years from earth, it will take approximately 4,000 years. Then to send it back to earth takes another 4000 years. 8,000 years all in all. That's why SETI's mission is a big blunder.
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Post by rike on Sept 17, 2011 7:01:22 GMT -5
rike, i think what we need to establish here is where did you get the information that we transitioned from martians to greys? ? 1950s Howard Menger and George Adamski's meme ... benevolent "Space Brothers" ...the Venusians, Martians, and Saturnians ... who had come to Earth out of concern for humanity's self-destructive ways. And do you realize ... Adamski and Menger where CIA assets. Menger even admitted he worked for the CIA and that his story was part of an experiment to test public reactions to the idea of extraterrestrial contact!?! Transition to: 1970s Paul Bennewitz and the malevolent underground dwelling, gene mutating, human abducting evil grey aliens. And we all know who people like Richard Doty, William Moore et al. ... worked for!?! But the question is why the transition from benevolent to malevolent? |
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Post by isaackoi on Sept 18, 2011 15:56:45 GMT -5
alienvisitor, if you send signals at a speed of light to the next galaxy that is 100,000 light years from earth, it will take approximately 4,000 years. Er, no it would take 100,000 years for light gto travel 100,000 light years. (By definition, a light year is the distance light travels in one year). The nearest galaxy is 25,000 light years away. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_Major_Dwarf_GalaxyBUT the nearest star to our Sun is a merely (!) about 4 light years away. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_CentauriGiven the number of stars in our Galaxy, only the more pessimistic SETI scientists would worry about the transmission times involved in sending signals to ANOTHER galaxy. All the best, Isaac |
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Post by isaackoi on Sept 18, 2011 16:06:09 GMT -5
What really is needed are devices that use different technologies. Maybe infrared, magnetic field disruption, radiation sensitive sensors in place of DSLR's. The problem is such other devices is that our eyes are not used to interpreting footage taken using them. There are quite a few videos on Youtube taken, for example, from helicopters using infrared video cameras which probably just show balloons or Chinese Lanterns - but they look pretty strange to the inexperienced eye when seen in infrared. By the way, Trevor James Constable wrote a book a while ago about photographing UFOs/"Critters" using infrared photography. You may be interested in his work, discussed in the video below: One of the more straightforward and interesting imaging devices that has been created to photograph UFOs was a stereoscopic camera which Hynek sometimes carried with him, since that type of camera helps determine the distance of the object photographed. All the best, Isaac |
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Post by lawsinium on Sept 18, 2011 20:27:03 GMT -5
thanks Isaac for the correction.
See i thought it would only be around 4000 years, but as suggested it will take more than 100,000 years....so back to back it will be times two.
You are correct there that there are number of "stars" in our galaxy, but as far as I understand it is very slim to find one that is exactly the same "planet" like our earth.
I thought it was andromeda which is our nearest spiral galaxy.
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Post by mo on Sept 27, 2011 16:57:27 GMT -5
Isaac
I believe the newer versions of the stereoscopic cameras are used to film NASA launches. Man I would love to have one of those but they are a bit pricey.... a few hundred thousand dollars. Hard to find them on retail markets... the hand held ones.
I have messed with thermal imaging in the field a bit and found almost all the models use really horrible video chips with low resolution. I was always thinking of having a cheap thermal camera modified with a newer HD camera imaging chip/system. Still a pricey proposition.
Right know I use a Pentax K-5 and it does really well, even at night.
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Post by avalonswan on Nov 6, 2011 17:35:28 GMT -5
I would disagree with the stated premise of the original poster that any photography equipment needs to be light years ahead of anything used today. Beyond that already stated, I find that the biggest problem we have today is correctly using the optic we have today. Physics is physics, here, there and everywhere, so if it absorbs certain frequencies of light and bends others, I could care if it is a bird or some trans-dimensional space coup, I can take a picture of it. I would also like to state that I think I have a project much like Mr. Trumbull's that might work in getting a better shot of these aerial phenomena and that I would like to start talking about it here. Some links to start discussion. www.engineersupply.com/johnson-level.aspxwww.thinklasers.comwww.scopetronics.comI would like to thank Mr. Trumbull for providing an excellent example of what might be achieved if we all put our heads together on this. |
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Post by mo on Nov 18, 2011 13:28:43 GMT -5
avalonswan - Very thorough idea. Something I have been thinking of for some time contact me when you get the chance at my e-mail at morgan.fl.mufon@gmail.com
The big challenge is getting the funding to complete this project the rest is just know how. The tech is there we just need to figure out how to get the tech in our hands and start implementing it.
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Post by plutron on Dec 17, 2011 1:53:57 GMT -5
alienvisitor, if you send signals at a speed of light to the next galaxy that is 100,000 light years from earth, it will take approximately 4,000 years. Er, no it would take 100,000 years for light gto travel 100,000 light years. (By definition, a light year is the distance light travels in one year). The nearest galaxy is 25,000 light years away. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_Major_Dwarf_GalaxyBUT the nearest star to our Sun is a merely (!) about 4 light years away. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_CentauriGiven the number of stars in our Galaxy, only the more pessimistic SETI scientists would worry about the transmission times involved in sending signals to ANOTHER galaxy. All the best, Isaac Tain't dat where da Dragons come from? plutronus |
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Post by plutron on Feb 26, 2012 6:38:37 GMT -5
... your trying to do something that has technology light years ahead of what is currently in use. Light year is a measure distance ... As for thinking out of the box ... I am still trying to figure out how we transitioned from Martians to Greys ... or from benevolent to malevolent aliens ... And trying to figure out what happened to Lady [Alamosa, Colorado 1967]!?! > I am still trying to figure out how we transitioned from Martians to Greys People are seeing Greys, while the idea Martians being aliens was an idea promoted speculatively in the 1800s in books. >from benevolent to malevolent aliens The evidence suggests that the aliens are using us for something which is outside general Human cognition-space. |
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Post by plutron on Feb 26, 2012 7:24:55 GMT -5
The final peace of the puzzle is the optics. Mr. trumbull has most allready. I post here a fine example of a home built optical vidoe recorder as an illumination of what can be done off shelf today. The MUFON Tracker is eminently buildable and fieldable from MUFON if they want to do so, The CSWR has a fine buleprint for funding these types of vehicles to the field. So MUFON really has no insurmountable problems concerning this Type of project, with the exception of will power of a group of indivduals. These type imagers exhibit slew rate problems among other problems. ET objects zip around, are fast movers, the equipment is too slow, too much mass. The way to solve the problem is the removal of the mass. I'd use an all-sky lens which in turn would be focused into an optic-chain directed by a 1st surface mirror into a rear entrance (very low light sensitive) CCD array. I'd map the array elements into Cartesian coordinates, which in turn would drive a galvo-mirror servo-system which would be part of the optic-chain illuminating the CCD. Another, feature could be the implementation of a tunable LASER, again, it would use the same galvo-mirror optic-chain, that way, the imager, would not only implement a very low mass tracker but could also, put a low-power LASER spot on the tracked ET object, which then could be 'tuned' to the ionization 'frequency' of the laminar-airflow-control (Hill) ensheathment corona, which may enable the LASER beam to pass through and to possibly 'reflect' off the surface or the 'hull' of the object, to again, be captured by the tracker system. Using such a system, high-speed transiting objects such meteors, flying-saucers, stealth-bombers, etc, could not only be, optically imaged in high-resolution, could be auto-recorded digitally, while recovering specular data off the surface of the object, in addition to being able to determine the energy imparted into the laminar-field, by knowing when the LASER beam returns to the tracker during tuning process as the LASER wavelength was 'tuned' to the pass-band energy band of the laminar-field. Capece? One caveat', the fish-eye-lens, will distort the image a bit but since the lens could be modeled, the distortion can be 'removed' in the imager-platform processing software. A gadget like this would likely cost around $2000 ~ $5000 to construct, and likely require around six months of software development. It would require one or two talented folks to make. I could make it myself. Most of the cost would be expended in the initial platform development and possibly the single most expensive part, aside from possibly having machine shop work done (in my case I have a mill), would be the rear-entrance CCD array image sensor. Various Japanese (now that Kodak has exited the market) companies produce these type sensors, but they are pricey, $800 ~ $1500. Buying Japanese would bypass the ITAR restrictions on such devices, also. While the 1st surface mirrors, the servo motors, microcontroller boards, etc, will consume the remainder of the cash. If a tunable LASER is implemented, one can expect another $2000 tag to be added to the BOM. However, LASING objects in the sky is illegal unless of course its a meteor. While LASING a flying saucer could instigate unexpected consequences (Bruce Cornet's experiences come to mind). My two centavos. plutronus |
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