The problem with Abduction stories

[cuthbertj]

First of all, I don't doubt so-called abductees have had some kind of experience that has affected them negatively. Whether it's real or just a dream, their reaching out for help needs to be taken seriously.

The problem I have is that every story I've read about alien visitation is an "abduction". That's an extremely loaded, and negative, word.

There are two reasons that that fact alone makes me skeptical.
1) The majority of cultural references, mainly in movies, show aliens in a negative light. My guess is their portrayal originally reflected the times, shortly after WW2 when everyone was paranoid of "the other". So it's no wonder that when people have a dream about aliens, it's negative in nature.

2) While it's certainly possible aliens might have "25th century" technology but "15th century" morals, I really doubt it. Why would beings advanced enough to get here be so primitive in their investigations? Doesn't make sense. Even current day human researchers no longer barge into remote villages ala Columbus. They keep their distance, observe, try to respect local customs, etc. I would expect an alien culture to be at least that sensitive.

I suspect if WW2 never occurred, and there wasn't a subsequent Cold War, alien visitation scenarios would be much different. What do you think?

[gunnison]

We are all intitled to our opinions... If nothing has ever happened to someone they are not as likely to accept it. We have all gone through bad relationships and as we make new ones we recall to the others how they affected us. I dont think its a cry for help in all situations, more that the person is just sharing an experience thjat they had.

[skywalker]

Not every story of alien visitation is negative. Many people do report positive experiences with other-worldly visitors but their stories are more prone to being dismissed, probably because of all of the negative publicity brought about by the "contactees" of the 1950s and their wildly fraudulent claims. It's hard for people to take alien encounters seriously when there is so much nonsense floating around.

[kissabttrfly]

i agree with skywalker. Its kinda like the whole idea that people only remember the negative actions others take. Someone could do 20 nice things to people and it be forgotten but that one time they mess up, it is remembered and spread around for others to hear it. Its like people are more likely to spread a rumor of someone doing something awful instead of someone who is kind. The same goes for alien abduction. We remember and hear about the awful experiences before we remember and hear about the not so awful contact.

As far as whether or not they have "25th century technology but 15th century morals" how can we judge their morals without knowing them? Even on earth we as one race, the human race, have a broad range of ideas and religions that we all follow. We are each individuals, and make out own decisions. But without knowing the extraterrestrials, how do we even know that their methods are immoral?
I for one have never been abducted, and I do not know the terror some of these people have gone through when remembering what happened to them. I for one, believe a lot of what these people are saying happened to them. With that said, I do not believe every single story that comes out of alien abduction and i do not believe every UFO that is spotted is extraterrestrial.

[jeffdanielk]

This is why I always stress that we need physical proof of alien abduction. Then noone could deny it. But as far as I know, no physical proof has ever been provided.
(I don't mean a person's story, or a mark on their body, or a nose bleed. I mean an actual object that could not have been made on earth.)

[skywalker]

But how do you get something like that? It would be like going into a hospital for surgery and grabbing a scalpel while unconscious and bringing it out of the hospital without any of the doctors knowing about it. It's not an easy thing to do.

[topsecretresearch]

Feb 12, 2012 17:09:26 GMT -5 jeffdanielk said:

This is why I always stress that we need physical proof of alien abduction. Then noone could deny it. But as far as I know, no physical proof has ever been provided.
(I don't mean a person's story, or a mark on their body, or a nose bleed. I mean an actual object that could not have been made on earth.)

Not true. There has been biological and metallurgical analysis of surgically removed implants that prove non-terrestrial.

www.doctorkoontz.com/Scalar_Physics/Implantee%20John%20Smith/Analysis%20of%20Object%20Taken%20from%20Patient%20John%20Smith(v4).pdf