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Post by avalonswan on Nov 25, 2011 1:32:23 GMT -5
I start this thread and link it with the imaging devices thread. The two really are intertwined. To my point here, I would like this thread to be about how MUFON and other investigation services study the observational sciences. We have people reporting unidentifiable aerial objects by the tens of thousands around the globe yearly and we have a bunch of debunkers saying the observers where simply snorting swamp gas. Well does anyone including said debunkers really know what snorting swamp gas does to the human body? Maybe it heightens alertness! To my point, we don't know! Many psychologist’s will tell you that globally we really do not know completely how we as humans perceive the stimulus around us we call daily life. There are so many things to study; I'd like to start with my favorite which is low level electromagnetic fields and consciousness interactions. Between the ability to manifest a God like presence with a head set to ghosts to our one earth field linking our consciousness together like a real life world wide web, I think that area alone is of high interest to MUFON.
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Post by gort on Nov 25, 2011 6:32:52 GMT -5
Hi avalonswan, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Until we as investigators start publishing these studies, the general public will still be in the dark and the debunkers will have plenty of ammo.
There is so much we still don't understand about our brains, however each day new breakthroughs are being reported. As investigators we need to keep up on this science.
I want to make it clear that there is most likely a percentage of sightings that this may apply to, and that there are still cases that have multiple witnesses that stand fast when the investigation is completed. I would like to see more discussion on this topic. Great post!
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Post by avalonswan on Nov 25, 2011 11:39:07 GMT -5
To back up what Gort said I want to make it clear that there is most likely a percentage of sightings that this may apply to, and that there are still cases that have multiple witnesses that stand fast when the investigation is completed. I would like to see more discussion on this topic. Great post! I would further clarify that I want this thread to be about the science, study and theory of humans ability to observer their environment. Their are other sections of the forum for Abductions, UFO sightings etc.. This post is more about how for example the human sense of smell may interact with vision and how that may impact an observation. The witness smelled crayons and that brought back a childhood memory for example. I post this as MUFON needs to start studying the science behind observation that makes it possible in the first place, so that we can conclude that witnesses and evidence gathered is what it purports to be. A good example of why this is important is the pink wall phenomena where a hypnotized test subject will swear that a wall is painted pink when everyone else around him in the test says that all walls are white including him before hypnosis. The senses can easily be deceived as any crash investigator can tell you. |
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Post by avalonswan on Nov 25, 2011 11:47:22 GMT -5
Might as well be here, this has come up before so I post as I noticed it reared its ugly head again! I am dyslexic and therefore not the worlds best typist or speller. I tend to transpose letters when typing and may slip in a misspelled or correctly spelled but different meaning word here and there. I write this as I am not high, drunk or mentally impaired when writing these posts. I have a learning difficulty due to a different brain wiring than norm is all and ask all to be understanding if it is possible.
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Post by jeffdanielk on Nov 25, 2011 18:31:45 GMT -5
Avalonswan makes a good point. He said :"a hypnotized test subject will swear that a wall is painted pink when everyone else around him in the test says that all walls are white including him before hypnosis."
This is why I don't give much attention to what a person reports about a UFO when he is under hypnosis. It is easy to produce false memories.
People can also be mistaken in their observations, even without hypnosis. This is why I emphasize the need for physical evidence, not just eyewitness reports.
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Post by lawsinium on Nov 27, 2011 23:31:32 GMT -5
Well, in reality observation is mostly illusions. Our left eye sees things differently compared to our right eye. When both eyes are focused, they see things differently too. Aside from our eyes, we also need to take into considerations our location, the atmospheric pressure and temperature, the horizon, our surroundings and even the speed of light.
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Post by avalonswan on Mar 23, 2012 22:51:34 GMT -5
lawsinium, with respect, I would say that while I agree on the premise of your conjecture, I do not agree on the science put forward.
You stated, the Encarta Dictionary gives the definition of Illusion as "[noun] something that deceives the senses or mind, e.g. by appearing to exist when it does not or appearing to be one thing when it is in fact another" So based on that interpretation of the definition, I have to say that I believe you are respectfully in error. I believe that we are not deceived in every day life, but rather pattern the world observed through past experience. Thus the ability to be deceived comes into possibility through manipulation of past experiences through hypnosis, chemical or astute study and delivery (Magic).
I find this topic fascinating and crucial to the study of UFOs; for if we do not understand how we perceive the universe, how can we truly explain or even attempt to understand UFO’s one way or another. Maybe there really is a pink elephant in the room, who's to say?
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